DUST Search - vehicles are definitely not fine

Harpyja wrote:

Eko Sol wrote:

1) Not entirely sure why this thread continues to get bumped

2) Yes, I have to agree Double Damage mod and Triple Damage mod rails are frustrating but my incubus fits survives two shots. I know when I have been hit by it so I just get away and press the down button and the get to harassing the hell out of it. Obviously, in the dom maps there are some terrible players who just end up so deep in their own red it's disgusting.

3) If two tanks are brought out and then, suddenly, it's impossible to bring out another vehicle then that is because they control the map. It isn't imbalance. Everyone spawns in with plenty of time to summon a vehicle and press the down button and zoom in at the enemy redline and see what they are calling in.

4) I've re read through the forum and I'm having hard time finding any evidence that vehicle vs vehicle is so imbalanced. TTK is about the same as Inf vs Inf. In perspective, it makes sense that Vehicle vs Vehicle battles aren't prolonged. They are bad enough when two triple rep middy's with blasters are up against eachother.

If one team achieves vehicle dominance where the other team is either completely unable to bring in a vehicle then, in 90% of the cases I have witnessed, a sign of skill on their part and not a sign of imbalance.

Keep complaining though. I'm excited for my MLT missile tank to be able to be on better footing against expensive rail tanks.

2) My Python gets one-shotted....

3) No comment. Wait, actually, the overview map doesn't always show everything. Firstly, when something's being called in, you only see the RDV, and then sometimes the vehicle itself doesn't get rendered until a bit later. Also, the overview map has on multiple occasions showed that there were no enemy tanks on the field, but a few moments after I resume rolling on the ground an enemy tank suddenly appears out of nowhere, and I'm surprised as I did not see it while scanning the whole overview map.

4) The current TTK would be fine if it were between two opponents of equal SP investment (and maybe even ISK, as a proto turret deals much more damage). However, it's not fine when someone with 0 SP can fit up a glass cannon and 2-3 shot any tank out there.

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Eko Sol Strange Playings 400	Posted - 2014.05.29 10:00:00 - [1] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I'm surprised I'm having to explain this. How is a HAV fight lasting under 5 seconds fine? How is a ADS being able to easily kill a HAV in one gun gun run fine? How is it that the only thing for vehicles to do atm is a quick drop off and then go pew pew at each other (because shooting at infantry is apparently a no no period ) fine? It isn't. Peace, Godin Gawd Dammit. I'm done with most of these newbs in the community. I'm just done. All you do is lose and then blame "Balance". It is pathetic. And for some reason CCP Ratatti keeps blue tagging these stupid as hell complaints. It makes no sense. There are no problems. YOu not being a good tanker is not a CCP issue it is a "you aren't a good tanker so keep practicing or PICK SOMETHING ELSE" problem. I'm just done with this crap from you guys. All you losers keep doing is attempt to ruin the only balanced parts of the game. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 430	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:31:00 - [2] - Quote 1) Not entirely sure why this thread continues to get bumped 2) Yes, I have to agree Double Damage mod and Triple Damage mod rails are frustrating but my incubus fits survives two shots. I know when I have been hit by it so I just get away and press the down button and the get to harassing the hell out of it. Obviously, in the dom maps there are some terrible players who just end up so deep in their own red it's disgusting. 3) If two tanks are brought out and then, suddenly, it's impossible to bring out another vehicle then that is because they control the map. It isn't imbalance. Everyone spawns in with plenty of time to summon a vehicle and press the down button and zoom in at the enemy redline and see what they are calling in. 4) I've re read through the forum and I'm having hard time finding any evidence that vehicle vs vehicle is so imbalanced. TTK is about the same as Inf vs Inf. In perspective, it makes sense that Vehicle vs Vehicle battles aren't prolonged. They are bad enough when two triple rep middy's with blasters are up against eachother. If one team achieves vehicle dominance where the other team is either completely unable to bring in a vehicle then, in 90% of the cases I have witnessed, a sign of skill on their part and not a sign of imbalance. Keep complaining though. I'm excited for my MLT missile tank to be able to be on better footing against expensive rail tanks. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 431	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:26:00 - [3] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Eko Sol wrote: 1) Not entirely sure why this thread continues to get bumped 2) Yes, I have to agree Double Damage mod and Triple Damage mod rails are frustrating but my incubus fits survives two shots. I know when I have been hit by it so I just get away and press the down button and the get to harassing the hell out of it. Obviously, in the dom maps there are some terrible players who just end up so deep in their own red it's disgusting. 3) If two tanks are brought out and then, suddenly, it's impossible to bring out another vehicle then that is because they control the map. It isn't imbalance. Everyone spawns in with plenty of time to summon a vehicle and press the down button and zoom in at the enemy redline and see what they are calling in. 4) I've re read through the forum and I'm having hard time finding any evidence that vehicle vs vehicle is so imbalanced. TTK is about the same as Inf vs Inf. In perspective, it makes sense that Vehicle vs Vehicle battles aren't prolonged. They are bad enough when two triple rep middy's with blasters are up against eachother. If one team achieves vehicle dominance where the other team is either completely unable to bring in a vehicle then, in 90% of the cases I have witnessed, a sign of skill on their part and not a sign of imbalance. Keep complaining though. I'm excited for my MLT missile tank to be able to be on better footing against expensive rail tanks. 2) My Python gets one-shotted.... 3) No comment. Wait, actually, the overview map doesn't always show everything. Firstly, when something's being called in, you only see the RDV, and then sometimes the vehicle itself doesn't get rendered until a bit later. Also, the overview map has on multiple occasions showed that there were no enemy tanks on the field, but a few moments after I resume rolling on the ground an enemy tank suddenly appears out of nowhere, and I'm surprised as I did not see it while scanning the whole overview map. 4) The current TTK would be fine if it were between two opponents of equal SP investment (and maybe even ISK, as a proto turret deals much more damage). However, it's not fine when someone with 0 SP can fit up a glass cannon and 2-3 shot any tank out there. I 100% agree with your 3 and 4. I think it should require SP to be a tanker and there should be no MLT variations. You are also right that the map isn't perfect and I get caught for that as well BUT there are so many times where it works fine and I see exactly what I need to see to be prepared for the battle. They should fix that. Your python? I don't know how you should fix it. I do incubus only and I've only just started specing in there. About 1.3mil SP so far. I won't say my fit b/c it's my secret. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...